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• Starting time engagement Sep 9, 2017

• #ii,621

does the SAG knob only touch on the XLR out and only when speaker sim is active?

• #two,622

does the SAG knob only bear on the XLR out and only when speaker sim is active?

Nope.

• #2,623

Has anyone tried using their SYN preamps with SS poweramps like the Orangish Pedal Infant or the Seymour Duncan Powerstage etc? How were the results without tube poweramp colour?

Another question...what poweramps have people been happy with?

I've owned some rack ones similar Mesa two:90, 20/xx, VHT, Rocktron, Matrix etc but virtually of these are not bachelor anymore on the used market (they just never announced) or command silly money.

It'due south a shame reviews are so mixed on the SYN 5050.

• #2,624

Has anyone tried using their SYN preamps with SS poweramps like the Orangish Pedal Baby or the Seymour Duncan Powerstage etc? How were the results without tube poweramp colour?

Another question...what poweramps take people been happy with?

I've owned some rack ones like Mesa ii:90, xx/20, VHT, Rocktron, Matrix etc but most of these are non available anymore on the used market (they merely never appear) or command silly money.

It's a shame reviews are so mixed on the SYN 5050.

i've researched this all day and the consensus seems to exist that SS poweramps are ok, but the tubes yet audio better

• #2,625

100%. I was thinking well-nigh a more transparent SS amp for a reamping my tube amps with a Reactive Load and using it for running the preamps into.

I already accept a killer tube ability section with my Yeti but it'southward 53 pounds from retentiveness without a case.

The Mk II Boss Katana head is something I've likewise considered too as you get FX built information technology for reamping and post preamp FX/EQ etc and likewise standalone usage. It may be leading the pack atm as it'southward also affordable.

i've researched this all twenty-four hours and the consensus seems to be that SS poweramps are ok, but the tubes still sound ameliorate

• #2,626

i've researched this all day and the consensus seems to be that SS poweramps are ok, but the tubes all the same sound better

That's been my experience, although I'm sure some solid state ability amps are decent sounding. My fav power amp with the Syn system is the Mesa Simul two:ninety. That'south simply a kickass rack power amp.

I day I'm going to hook upwards my Syn1 to my Roland JC just for giggles, that should exist a fun trip downward retentivity lane - I gigged throughout the fourscore'southward with a Rat pedal, a delay and a JC77.

• #2,627

tin can a kind soul salvage me the trouble of digging through 131 pages and rapidly answer following:

1. On SYN-30 head, how much headroom does clean channel accept before break up with humbuckers? Can yous get a pretty good balance betwixt it then a clay module?
two. Does SYN-30 head accept a built in load and so y'all can utilise full amp into DAW (if you lot use onboard emulation) or into cab sim pedal?
3. Does SYN-50 head have built in load for aforementioned as above?
iv. Tin can either caput use EL34s?
5. Are near people using the built in amp caput power sections or running into power amps?

I'thou actually tired of tone chasing. I honey tube amps - more often than not british. I can't have information technology super loud anymore, demand versatility and portability as well. I already use tube preamp pedals and run those into amp/cab sim pedal or into FX return of EL34 combo. Not thrilled well-nigh my current philharmonic as I feel it's overkill and would rather have something by way of a SS power department perhaps and a good 1x12 cab. Not a huge fan of rack stuff either so the heads look promising.

Thanks

I simply picked upwards a used SYN-thirty so my experience is one day, accept it for what information technology is worth.
one. This was the first thing I tested. It has enough to brand your ears band. The clean channel is affect sensitive and so if you really whack the strings yous will get some dust in the notes when the volume is up. I doubtable information technology would non be drowned out by a difficult hitting drummer but I'm a bedroom wanker so I don't really know.
2. Yes, information technology is the Silent manner of the traditional Standby switch. The onboard emulation is switchable, on or off. The onboard emulation probably sounds skillful at college volumes, I prefer IRs.
3. No.
4. No.
5. Probably a practiced mix of both.

I hear y'all nearly tone chasing. I got off the Synergy bandwagon and I'm back. Preamp pedals lonely were fashion more than noisy than the Synergy stuff, particularly for the high gain tones. For the price and what you get it sounds fantastic. With the SYN 30 and SYN fifty you get some cathode biasing that you wouldn't get with a power amp. My UL module does that differently so I can't say I know if that makes a noticeable tone difference.

Terminal edited: Sep 24, 2020

• #ii,628

Looks like I'1000 heading back to Synergy! I originally had the SYN-one a few years dorsum, and although I loved it, I wanted more mods to become available. At present that the Fryette, Engl and Bogner mods are available, it's fourth dimension!

I'm going to be running a SYN-i into my JCA20H. I think my first mods will be the Fryette Deliverance. One of my Summit 5 amps, having endemic both the D60/120. The thought of having a ii aqueduct, 20w version is a dream come truthful!

• #ii,629

Does anyone else look at the Pittbull mod, and think "how shut are we to a Mesa Marking mod?"

• #2,630

tin can a kind soul salvage me the trouble of digging through 131 pages and quickly answer following:

1. On SYN-30 caput, how much headroom does make clean channel take before intermission up with humbuckers? Can you get a pretty good balance between information technology and and then a dirt module?
two. Does SYN-xxx caput have a congenital in load so you can use full amp into DAW (if you use onboard emulation) or into cab sim pedal?
3. Does SYN-50 caput have congenital in load for aforementioned as above?
iv. Tin either head use EL34s?
5. Are nearly people using the built in amp head power sections or running into power amps?

I'm actually tired of tone chasing. I honey tube amps - mostly british. I tin't accept information technology super loud anymore, demand versatility and portability likewise. I already use tube preamp pedals and run those into amp/cab sim pedal or into FX return of EL34 philharmonic. Non thrilled about my electric current combo as I feel information technology's overkill and would rather have something by fashion of a SS ability section perhaps and a good 1x12 cab. Non a huge fan of rack stuff either so the heads await promising.

Thanks

I recall you should give a SYN-30 a shot. I observe some of your gear escapades are similar to mine, weaving in and out of modeling, mini tube heads, preamp pedals, etc. Always trying to balance exceptional gear, tone, weight, volume and budget. It tin can be tough but the Synergy stuff is really quite incredible IMHO.
The clean channel on the SYN-30 is VERY Practiced; I have been a/b'ing it confronting my Mesa Fillmore 50 clean which is fantastic, possibly a chip creamier simply the SYN-xxx is correct at that place -- bolder, way more than volume to go without breaking up and more robust.
The fact that y'all have an internal load on the SYN-30 and can play silently by using a GREAT cab imitation output into your audio interface (or direct to mixer/PA/IEMS) is amazing for live and home apply. And then the fact that yous can defeat the cab simulation with the press of a button and utilise IR's (cab simulation) in your DAW for recording is bully.
So, great robust cleans at high amp volumes for live backline, Whatsoever module that fits your manner. Three amp channels with included footswitch, nifty FX loop, MIDI integration with things like HXFX, morningstar, NO MIC required for gigging to PA, DI recording out dry out guitar and use IR'southward in the home studio.

I accept a gig on Saturday and I'm actually considering pedals in front of the clean channel, no module usage just to meet how information technology performs.
The clean aqueduct sounds amazing pushed with my Timmy v3.

• #two,631

Does anyone else look at the Pittbull mod, and think "how close are we to a Mesa Marker modern?"

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Lil GEQ == secks

That said, it would take to be a "Synergy" branded module because I just do not see Mesa partnering with BAD similar a lot of the truly Boutique and Specialty folks have.

That said. Modules that would brand me GAS:

Existing Partners

• Diezel Herbert - needs to happen
• Friedman HBE/BE
• Friedman JJ/HBE
• Friedman Twin Sis
• Bogner Shiva
• Fryette SigX

Synergy Knock offs I would preorder

• Synergy "Jose" (think Cameron)
• Synergy 5051 and/or "Edward the 3rd"
• Synergy "Citrus" and/or "Sunn-shine"
• Syn Mark/Rect/Lonestar/TC; annihilation actually.

Some "Bazaar" Folks who could make me go: yasss

• KSR modulossus
• Revv Gen
• Splawn

The mind boggles with possibilities. Although maybe its all-time for my wallet if none of that happens.

• #2,632

Lil GEQ == secks

That said, information technology would take to exist a "Synergy" branded module because I just do not see Mesa partnering with BAD like a lot of the truly Boutique and Specialty folks have.

That said. Modules that would make me GAS:

Existing Partners

• Diezel Herbert - needs to happen
• Friedman HBE/Exist
• Friedman JJ/HBE
• Friedman Twin Sister
• Bogner Shiva
• Fryette SigX

Synergy Knock offs I would preorder

• Synergy "Jose" (think Cameron)
• Synergy 5051 and/or "Edward the Third"
• Synergy "Citrus" and/or "Sunn-shine"
• Syn Mark/Rect/Lonestar/TC; annihilation really.

Some "Boutique" Folks who could make me go: yasss

• KSR modulossus
• Revv Gen
• Splawn

The heed boggles with possibilities. Although maybe its all-time for my wallet if none of that happens.

Interesting, of all of them, I can only run across the Herbert and Shiva being a reality, just welcome ones at that.

• #ii,633

I think you lot should give a SYN-thirty a shot. I find some of your gear escapades are similar to mine, weaving in and out of modeling, mini tube heads, preamp pedals, etc. Always trying to balance exceptional gear, tone, weight, book and budget. It can be tough simply the Synergy stuff is really quite incredible IMHO.
The clean channel on the SYN-30 is VERY Expert; I have been a/b'ing it against my Mesa Fillmore 50 clean which is fantastic, maybe a bit creamier but the SYN-thirty is right there -- bolder, way more volume to go without breaking up and more than robust.
The fact that you have an internal load on the SYN-thirty and can play silently by using a GREAT cab simulated output into your audio interface (or direct to mixer/PA/IEMS) is amazing for live and habitation use. Then the fact that you can defeat the cab simulation with the press of a button and utilise IR's (cab simulation) in your DAW for recording is great.
So, great robust cleans at loftier amp volumes for live backline, Any module that fits your way. Iii amp channels with included footswitch, smashing FX loop, MIDI integration with things like HXFX, morningstar, NO MIC required for gigging to PA, DI recording out dry guitar and apply IR'due south in the home studio.

I accept a gig on Sabbatum and I'm actually considering pedals in front of the clean aqueduct, no module usage just to run into how information technology performs.
The clean channel sounds amazing pushed with my Timmy v3.

Cheers so much for this. I'm trying to sell my amp right now... and I proceed feeling that Syn30 is a nifty fashion to go. I accept a Timmy V3 too and that'south groovy to know! Would love to hear what you come up with on Saturday. Please PM me with your results! Cheers!!

• #2,634

If you lot're looking for a storage solution for multiple preamp modules, here's something I did that you might find interesting. I had a Pelican 2950 Storm case I had bought about a twelvemonth ago for a project that didn't work out, and then I idea I'd try to repurpose it for my collection of Synergy preamp modules. It took 2-three hours to get the foam cutouts done right, just overall I'm super happy with how information technology turned out. I realize it's overkill for about folks, merely I thought someone might be able to do good from seeing how it turned out. It'southward internal dimensions are 29" × 18" × 10.5; if you cut the foam right you can shop up to 20 modules.

• #two,635

Beloved the Edward the 1st, 2nd and 3rd idea! All the 5150 I/Two/5153 amps in one module.

A JJ would have to exist enroute. Butterslax!!!

An Orange Rockerverb module would be crawly. How about a reverb circuit too? Lol

A Recto module but doesn't seem possible as it's the poweramp and tube rectification that makes it special. Information technology'll just be a high proceeds preamp approximation.

Can't see Mesa getting on board personally only a Fillmore would exist nice. I know guys honey the Marking series so yep that too.

MI Megalith module! I'd buy this every bit it is a very unique amp.

A proper 3 gain phase + CF 'legit' Cameron/Yeti/Chupa/Atomica module with switchable bright caps and diode clippers etc. No one seems to practice a proper Jose Marshall; they actually don't sound or feel like a Friedman.

KSR, REVV, Splawn etc would be cool too but there will exist a lot of overlap at some point.

• #two,636

A Peavey 6505 module was reportedly in the works, as of a yr or two agone.

I don't meet Mesa partnering upward either, and so anything Synergy-branded would need to be Mesa 'inspired'. With and then many high-gain options already, IMO, they'd need to go with something 'vintagey', similar to what Egnater did with the COD module; i.e. Mark I or Ii.

And there are getting to be multiple clean(ish) mods as well; not sure what else is missing.

Last but non least, a Twin Sister module would be crawly just I wonder how shut that might end upwards being to the Deliverance - and would that supersede the existing DS mod.

Last edited: Sep 25, 2020

• #two,637

A Peavey 6505 module was reportedly in the works, as of a twelvemonth or two agone.

I don't see Mesa partnering up either, so anything Synergy-branded would demand to be Mesa 'inspired'. With and then many loftier-gain options already, IMO, they'd need to go with something 'vintagey', similar to what Egnater did with the COD module; i.e. Mark I or Ii.

And there are getting to be multiple clean(ish) mods as well; non sure what else is missing.

Last but not least, a Twin Sister module would be crawly simply I wonder how shut that might end up existence to the Deliverance - and would that replace the existing DS mod.

The DS and Deliverance are vastly dissimilar amps.

• #two,638

I could definitely see a Bogner Shiva, perhaps a Friedman Runt or JJ.

So far equally power goes, I take EL84, 6L6, EL34 and KT88 amps I can run different modules through. I also can record them through my 2 notes Cab M too. Either directly from the SYN-1 or with a torpedo from the various heads

• #ii,639

The Synergy project has been in the works for the by v years. Bruce Engater said Mesa never heard of Synergy until this yr.

• #2,640

The DS and Deliverance are vastly different amps.

Oh, I'grand certain.
I'thousand talking about a Twin Sister module vs a Deliverance module, if at that place might some overlap, and if a TS mod would make the DS modernistic redundant.

Whatsoever the differences/similarities, if a TS module could/would accept identical channels, I'd like to see that happen.

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